Well, despite my lawyer's warning (Nemo, I'm blaming you for this) I've decided to upload the letter I received. Since I couldn't figure out how to blow it up so that you could all see it I'm also putting up a link to the original scanned pdf here.
Thursday, February 18, 2010
The letter
Well, despite my lawyer's warning (Nemo, I'm blaming you for this) I've decided to upload the letter I received. Since I couldn't figure out how to blow it up so that you could all see it I'm also putting up a link to the original scanned pdf here.
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Now I realize why people think of lubavitch as a cult. I wonder what the 'unpleasant measures' would be. I would hate to be the one to find out.
What’s cult-like about this letter? Sounds no worse than request to maw my lawn from time to time that I got from community watch while living in New Orleans.
Satmer, we are ready to join your ranks!
CA, suppressing the right of free speech is not cult-like? It is the first step towards tyranny.
What I find fascinating is the threat. Is there anyway you can find out explicitly? That way, it will be on record so we can all be amused.
Who said freedom of speech is a Jewish value? Freedom of speech is fine, but when it results in pritzus, litzoinus, bittul Torah, chillul Hashem and exposure of people to chochmas chitzoinius, it becomes a dangerous thing.
1. These people are so arrogant, using presumptuous rabbinic hyperbole like "online 'weblog'" and discussing perpetuation of fires burning at the edge of the camp.
2. I doubt any rabbi was concerned enough about these blogs to do anything. Some "activist" asked the rabbi to agree, and the rabbi agreed. From what I hear, it's not too hard to make the CH rabbanim agree to something. My aunt has horror stories about people who wanted her to print things in the name of rabbanim in her newsletter...
3. Where are the signatures?
4. CA: to a fundie, this situation makes sense.
5. You realize that by publishing this letter you're disobeying their commands--I mean recommendations.
disable the damn word verification!
This is what's gonna happen. You keep this up (TRS and yossi) and they are gonna come for you in the middle of the night... (that's an implied ending, meaning, we will never hear from you again.)
Altie, you can’t even ring into TRS’s apartment. I tried, when I thought I’d left my cell phone in it, and in vain, I couldn’t find a bell. And banging on the door had no effect.
Dude, if these people can find him to give him this creepy letter, believe me they can find a way into his apartment. Be afraid, be very afraid.
they can find him because he davens at hogwartz every day.
and by hogwartz i mean future beis ha’mikdosh.
Snort.
a) there are rules about bringing over a conversation. Youre not allowed to do that
and i already told u, hogwarts isnt real. and 770 will only be a PART of the bhm''k not the whole thing.
If you don’t tell anyone, nobody knows.
Just you see.
And a blogger friend of mine got scared enough to close his blog. See what you guys did?
where is b)?
no. he's a sucker.
oh ya. the b) was that hogwarts isnt real. again.
It’s people like you who say that hogwartz is not real, the rebbe is not moshiach, and that 770 is not beis ha’mikdosh that resulted romanian troops going to tahiti instead of haiti.
i dont know what youre talking about. but its the people who say the rebbe is moshiach, 770 is the bais hamikdash and moshiach is already here that starts all the fights.
romanian troops??
oh im so sorry if i ruined your fantasies.
Whatever. Hogwartz and 770 will become BHM, and both the Rebbe and Dumbledore are alive (together with Yakov Avinu).
yakov i can believe. but we all saw dumbledore die in the last movie, and even i am not that stupid.
so nu, when is moshiach coming then? you make it sound so exciting, i cant wait.
When Moshiach comes, you’ll have to choose a House to which to belong to.
uhu. and what are the choices, hogwarts or 770?
While the writing of the letter seems like someone who knows how to write in the style of a pashkville - the fact that Y's version has the photoshoped signatures of Osdaba and Schwei makes the whole thing seem very suspicious . . . I highly highly doubt the Badatz d'kak has time or interest to run after these blogs, and if they did it would be on stationary etc . . . not cut and pasted into a pashkville.
Which this in turns make the entire idea of the letters rather odd . . . even if writing a pashkville, why would they put the names of the rabbis on them.
I think these are some bad practical joke . . . whoever did it was sloppy with the signatures, and made up some weird organization in the one to "chanan" (the kolel types go by agudas avreichi lubavitch hadoagim l'tovas hashechuna . . . not the some weird take off of NCFJE's name)
Wow, This is seriously worrying me. I think that I'm going to close down my blog.
something like this could be bad for my career haz veshalom... i'm taking my music videos down.
if anyone wants my piano videos email me at pm0550@bcmail.brooklyn.cuny.edu
I hope this is fixed soon...
e: I've removed word verification. You're welcome.
trs+yossi: who presented these letters to you?
I just emailed one of the anti-mimulo activists, asking him if this is his doing. I shall keep you posted.
wait, mimulos too? when was that? is that why there wasnt a poetry slam in awhile?
I got mine dropped in the mailbox outside my house, no name on it obviously, just my name on the envelope.
CHSP (crown heights secret police)
Well I feel like a rogue already.
wow. that is really mafia style.
should I delete my facebook?
no, you have nothing to worry about, 'they' are not coming after you.
but they commented one of my videos...
tRP, don’t worry, I have a job for you as a pianist lined up in my uncle’s “bar”. Also, don’t worry about that heckler guy. He’s been taken care of.
Perhaps I shall change my blog name to Pierre.
who are 'they' really?
Bars are not tznius.
Oh no theres 2 of them... CA look what you did to him.
What has Lubavitch come to? Chassidim can’t even write pashkvillim normally. Gone are the days when there was an informer in every minyan, and it was done with professionalism, with style.
What did I do to whom?
trp: which "they" commented on your blog?
theRealPianist said...
Bars are not tznius.
February 18, 2010 6:53 PM
see what i mean?
I don’t get it. Bars are taken nisht tznius. But my uncle’s bar is for men only. If you know what I mean.
tRP, accompanying girls is also not tznius, but as a musician, you’ve been given a heter. So, worry not.
:) oh can i come? ive always wanted to go to a gay bar.
i was talking about being overly frum. not being able to take things lightly or as a joke.
It’s not a gay bar. G-d forbid. Not that tRP would have a problem with that kind of thing; he goes to a banya, after all.
It says in Gemara one should not laugh before the coming of Moshiach.
where does it say that? ok i rest my case.
usually when someone says 'its only for men, if you know what i mean' there is onlyone thing that could mean. so what did u mean by that?
It’s a place where Russian husbands escape nagging and play durak. Usually it’s done in a banya, but what if you already washed this week? Then you go to my uncle’s bar.
I understood russian, and nagging, but everything else went way over my head.
Use this.
oh yes a very useful tool.
wait one second did you get this letter in 770 or in the mail?
or is this yossi and trs's joke on everyone?
oops sorry if i ruined anything.
I got it in my mailbox, yossi got it in 770.
That would be a pretty weird joke to play.
how dowy, we should take them both aside and interrogate them separately and see iftheir stories match up. i'll bet we can find a flaw and prove that they teamed up to play a joke.
I bet I could get one of them to confess using my Russian accent alone.
:) ok that i understood.
oh oh oh and a bright light!
Bright light? Do not walk toward the light. I repeat: do not... ah, do what you want.
wow. who knew russians have a sense of humor.
Mongols did.
well who gave it to yossi?
trs that was a compliment to ur sense of humour, anyway that letter is completely over the top, i mean who speaks like that nowdays?
Yossi wrote a whole post about it-it's somewhere on the blog.
Thank you.
Who speaks like this? No one. But have you seen other pashkivilin out there?
“Somewhere on this blog”? You mean, in one of the five posts, two of which were written by Yossi?
well its defnitly providing entertainment
CA: http://therealbochur.blogspot.com/2010/02/updates.html
Dowy: Well, at least someone is enjoying this...
So, where is Yossi’s letter?
He has it. He showed it to Mottel.
oh i hadnt read the first part, but if these things just came in the mail without any face to it why would you take it seriously?
To be sure, I am not an attorney and did not give qualified legal advice. Whatever I told you, I told you as a friend.
scared of a lawsuit?
Dowy: They knew my address! Who knows were I live?
Nemo: Oh.
Who knows you have a mailbox?
Gasp! Was it you, CA?
exactly! probaly someone you know and is joking around
I wish...
But then, I have no idea who Yossi is. (Or do I?)
Well, whomever it is, I'd like my real blog back.
wait wait wait!! i found a hole in your story. how come they went after only you two?? yossi is not even that famous (sorry yossi) and trs, ok maybe. but still, suddenly these 'rabbanim' ae going after bloggers, and yet there is only 2 that we hear about. very suspicious...
Officially it's been done before:
http://crownheightsnews.blogspot.com/2009/12/rabbis-are-coming-rabbi-schwei-and.html
well no that part does make sense, becouse they are the most mainstream bloggers
Rabbi Gluckowsky from Israel is pretty anti-internet and I heard that he was talking about shutting Lubavitch websites down. I don't know what this is all about or this is even at the behest of the rabbonim, it might just be some kollel yungerleit trying to be smartasses. I got a letter too in my inbox. It was funny ... I could care less.
From what I hear through the grapevine, they believe that it has gotten out of hand. Supposedly some of the prosecution's evidence in the Rubashkin case came from things that community members said on blogs. There were other cases where people lost significant money based on reports on the internet. This is all besides the tznius issue and the obvious chillul hashem of airing disputes in public.
The rabbonim think they can control this by getting everyone off the internet. Wouldn't surprise me if one of these guys starts sending messages around FB in the next couple days.
Good luck!
Someone is not getting enough attention on their “real” blogs.
OK, I'll admit it. I sent those letters. I rely just wanted to see if any action would be taken...
wow, I missed lots of comments
altie- I doubt its because of my blogging fame. all somebody had to do was go to chrudge or whatever and look down the list of lubavitch blogs. Or maybe they did see my blog, who knows?
Should I try to post my letter, as well? I'm not sure how smart it is to be doing that. Mine is basically the same, but addressed to my blog, and at the bottom are signatures from rabbanim.
mottel pronounced them to be fake. which in a way is a relief.
"That would be a pretty weird joke to play."
Guys, guys, guys, why didn't I think of this before? clearly e is the mastermind behind this whole thing.......
right?
BTW- at least something good came of this: RP has come back.
i think its wonderful. weblogging is mamash pritzius worse than dirty magazines.
e. cult is just another word for religion that has become equal to evil religion.
oh no... they left me a voicemail...
also, who is RP?
TRP,
Me.
Dovid, thanks.
Not so sure how you define good, but I doubt my resurrection qualifies. BTW can I paste our convo regarding the age on the universe on my blog?
I read it the other day and was really convinced with my own arguments. LOL
wats wrong with having a fire burning on the edge of the camp? keeps away the wolves if you ask me.
ok, i just got the same letter as an email. still not convinced its real, but i am flattered that now my blog is a hazzard to society. yay!
Et tu, Brute?
who's brute?
Bruté.
Brutus - killer of Gaius Julius Ceaser.
Altie, you got a letter also?!!!
yes. and i replied and asked who they are and if its a joke. they told me its definitely not a joke, and they want me to be helpful and rat out my blogger friends. how rude. u want to see the email?
Altie-we all do!
u wanna see the letter and everything?
im starting to feel like im a part of some secret underground movement. this is rediculous.
The letter reminds of me a letter I once received from a local rabbi (regarding a different subject); except his letter was much less coherent, used poorer grammar and punctuation, was more rude, in retrospect made more sense, and was equally amusing.
Later, the same rabbi told me I swear too often on my blog.
If I didn’t already (probably) know who is behind all this, I would suspect someone like him.
you think you know the person behind all this??? give me his name and address, and I'll go knock some sense into him. (Of course not really, I don't even have a baseball bat here..)
I already told Chanan.
Good Shabbos.
CA- does his name begin with a lower case e?
Dovid: I often pretend to be who I'm not, but I've never done anything this elaborate.
Even though tendencies to certain behaviors sometimes run in families, I don’t think in this case it’s e.
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